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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.12.18 22:50:00 -
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Originally by: Iva Soreass Just curious how it's going down there ?
Any end in sight yet or still more to come from both sides?
This is just information you can get from the other thread, but I'll repeat it here for you for your convenience. Because I'm nice
The first 7 days was mainly preparatory, lots of logistics. The fight 'proper' started last night.
About 400 ISS/MC/VETO/FIX/LV/TYC/UK moved into system with the largest capital deployment ever seen. They knocked all POS into reinforced.
As things currently stand, F4 has been in lockdown with large bubbles since the POS were knocked into reinforced, and the first POS exits reinforced shortly.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.12.19 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: Emrod
Every alliance in Eve know now that you ISS are a not the neutral alliance you always claim to be!
ISS don't claim to be neutral, we simply claim not to be driven by politics, and not to shoot unless we are shot at.
IAC started the war, not us.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.12.19 12:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dekiri Edited by: Dekiri on 19/12/2006 12:06:24
I really can't see why people are drawing such a bad picture for IAC. The capital ship fleet is not going to be there forever and ISS sure can't pay for MC/KIA forever. I don't see IAC loose balls and bend over anytime soon and i can't see ISS to "win". If ISS really "win" they pretty much ruin their space for months to come, because i would assume that ISS can't police their space versus IAC if IAC start to hit the individual corps assets.
IAC are a mainly industrial alliance. Their leadership brought them into this war.
I do not doubt that some within IAC will want to continue the fight, but without a base 1 jump from ISS space, and without their industrial corporations which make up the vast majority of their numbers hanging around nearby, I honestly can't see it being a problem.
ISS have lived with raiding parties into its space since the very beginning, against foes far scarier than IAC. Its a part of life in 0.0. To claim this will somehow bring us to our knees is just silly. Its what we do, day in, day out.
You are right - the Capital Ship fleet won't be around forever, and it doesnt need to be. Its there to do a very specific job.
We all know what happens when people raid ISS space. They can't dock. They are deprived of targets. They get bored. They move on. Its human nature, you can't force people in your corporation to do something very dull forever, without any objective other than 'annoy ISS'. We know from over a year of experience managing outposts that is not realistic. The most that happens are occasional raids.
And, for the record, ISS are not paying KIA. Nor are we paying FIX, LV, UK, or TYC. They have their own reasons for being there.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.12.20 12:39:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 20/12/2006 12:41:37
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Originally by: Supay I look forward to future fights guys and hope you wise up to your leader's deception before things go too far.
Coming from ISS that is about as ironic as it gets.
Ironic, how? ISS leadership, unlike IAC's, isn't telling blatant lies to its members to cover up the mess they have dragged the Alliance into. The amount of hangar clearouts in your stations speaks for itself.
But its okay IAC, take down those hangar clearouts, Goons have come to the rescue. (excuse the raw nature of that footage, its only a few hours old, I hope Shanda won't mind me posting it :p).
Seriously though, I like IAC. I have a personal history of fighting alongside some of your members, and happy memories from doing so. But you dragged yourself into this mess, and for that I have no sympathy.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.12.20 13:10:00 -
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Originally by: spoon2
In my experience from being in MC during thier contract against IAC, I found IAC to be a pretty good oponent. More importantly that had many many friends and outnumbered us most of the time 3-1. I dont really think the ISS side will have large superior numbers if any superiority at all.
I guess you havent been reading the thread before posting.
Can't say I blame you, but you are wrong in the above statement.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.12.20 20:39:00 -
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Originally by: cflux Who gives a crap what they do, safety of the ISS moneymakers is everything what is in line here. I, you, the rest saw the convo between IAC and ISS regarding this war. POS's warfare was not ruled out, what directly lead into ISS counter offensive by calling local alliances who have large memberbase of shareholders in them.
If Tyraxx was unable to do 1+1+1+1 = 4 calculation when he decided not to rule out POS warfare on that critical convo, what did you people expect ISS to do? Play dead?
As a foot trooper of LV, all I care about is those stations in ISS hands until IAC comes to their senses. After that, if they launch dread siege on ISS, now that we are prepared and have a local POS to operate from, we don't live that far away to kill them before they enter second siege cycle. I wonder does IAC even have enough dreads to take a large POS down without multiple cycles, my guess would be no ******* chance.
Politically, as a regular LV member, this war means nothing, looks like pure ISK stuff, ISS wanting to protect their income and that is fine by me. What happens to IAC, do they try some guerrilla tactics from Curse or whatever, dosn't intrest me one bit. Ganksquads don't hurt ISS incomes, shooting their POS's do.
Someone to blame for this war? Look at Tyraxx, ofcourse he is prolly doign Cyvoks right about now, blaming everyone else and Eve community for his own mistakes.
Good post.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.12.20 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Arian Snow
You quite obviously have no clue! Moving assets from territory under siege is common sense. They are worthless in a region as infected as JZV! IAC will stand, and the ISS will pay a price... dont presume you know what it will be! If the spies and some cowards leave the corp... good riddance they are worthless anyhow. I havent heard of dissidents so its all speculation.
IAC will win through at any cost!
Don't you guys kind of wish you had just handled it all differently now?
I mean, if you wanted to expand over us, that would not have been an issue. But the whole way you went about things, which led to this situation... just seems like you can't accept you messed up.
Remember, the leader of ISS made a public post before you declared war, asking for continued friendly realtions. We even changed our charter so we could assist you proactively in the event of system seige.
In my opinion, you've made some pretty brutal mistake. Why not have the courage to say so? I'm not sure a diplomatic resolve can be found at this late stage, and its not something I have any say over (I just shoot at what I'm told to), but surely its worth trying to save your stations?
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.12.21 00:45:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 21/12/2006 00:45:19
Originally by: maGz
You need to realise that the hatred people have for ISS now is immensely big due to the way your leadership has chosen to solve this issue, and no amount of diplomacy will work.
Magz, you're an intelligent guy. You don't need me to remind you who started this war, and what was said between whom.
And when it comes to 'people' who hate ISS I assume you're talking about PRI forum alts, and a few hardcore in IAC? Hardly representative of wider EVE public opinion.
If 'people' hated ISS so much they wouldn't have invested 200bn ISK over the last week in the IPO.
The reality of the situation, and I think you know this really, is that IAC leadership made an error of judgement.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.12.21 00:49:00 -
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Originally by: Reborn Dragon
Whining? Hmmm, well, not really. More like waiting for the overkill fleet to move on. Nobody could stand to that kind of capital fleet. IAC are biding there time. Attacking at the right times. All these so called 'friends' and mercs of ISS won't be around forever. They will actually need to learn how to fly and command their fleet. Yah, there pockets are deep, but isk can only do so much.
I don't know why ISS has this mentality of "We've won, we beat IAC, hahaha, lets make them beg forgiveness!!1". It couldn't be farther from the truth. You take control of a few stations and take down some POS's, so what? If both sides continue as they are now, it will be a long, long fight, and I am more then willing to bet IAC will have the last laugh if the members stay strong.
Get a grip, please.
Your alliance is 80% industrial, do you really think they will want to base out of Litom, turn pirate, and go on raids every day into space in which you cannot dock or make ISK?
Your members are already leaving in droves, your corp CEO's are already approaching ISS enquiring about membership, but still you can't see what is right in front of you.
ISS have lived with raiding parties every day since its creation, so all your ridiculous 'we will hate you forever' posts are just being relegated to the part of my mind labelled 'trash'.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.12.21 02:32:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 21/12/2006 02:32:11
Originally by: Kaylana Syi
Butter Dog you really need to stop posting. You are fastly turning into the joke of EVE. And the comments about slashing the throats of some of our players in real life... are pathetic. You've been sent to petition.
I'm sorry, but what exactly are you talking about?
My posts in this thread are reasonable, logical, and not at all rude. If you think I have made any post in this thread which is 'petitionable' or even which makes me look like a fool, please direct me to it.
From where I am standing, all my posts look perfectly reasonable. You, however, don't come across quite in the same light.
PS - This 'throat slitting' thing... what are you on about?
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.12.21 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: nickky01
i see you keep saying IAC is 80% industrial, and i'm not really big into the smack and whatever on the forums...but IF IAC is 80% industrial...
then why are you blobbing them so bad in F4? why hire so many mercs, and call in so many friends to help take them out?
i think ISS got skurred
I'm sure I speak for all Allied forces when I say that we wish for this conflict to be over as soon as possible.
No-one wants to play POS ping-pong for months on end, and game mechanics require overwhelming force to get the job done quickly.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.12.21 13:14:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 21/12/2006 13:14:21
Originally by: Omeega Once the mercs will be done, ISS will die.
The only mercs we hired were MC and VETO.
The rest are there for their own reasons.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.12.21 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Vando
Originally by: Xander Magnus Now, in a vital conversation with ISS leadership IAC claims that taking stations, the babies of ISS, isn't out of the question.
Shooting POS != taking stations.
I don't get where this 'they were set on taking out stations all along omg!' thing has come from, it's simply not true. Sure, there were vague words spoken by the people that matter, but where were the dreads rolling ISS POSes? I see none.
If ISS were so convinced an attack was imminent, surely they'd have been better served to wait for it and then both crush the dread fleet and remove all doubt as to who the victim was? Why not wait for the attack that vindicates their response?
It's because they knew it wasn't coming.
Stop blaming ISS for the mess your leadership has dragged you into.
We all know that chain of events here, we all know what was said between whom. ISS did all they reasonably could to prevent conflict.
IAC need to stop and think - accept responsibility for your own actions, stop trying to pass the blame.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.12.21 13:24:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 21/12/2006 13:29:33
Originally by: n sx Interesting reads, though I will say something.
Avernus, I've not been silent on forums for any other reason than ISS' mouth ButterDog. A troll of the highest order and as soon as he speaks the entire discussion loses any discernable value.
He's not worth wasting my or anyone elses life on.
And you say that I don't add anything to discussion - your post is the very definition of trolling. Please find one of mine which sinks this low.
Just because you don't agree with what I say, or have the intelligence to gauge me in discussion, doesnt make me a troll. But as I say, feel free to provide evidence to back up your statement.
The fact that you have reduced your post to a personal attack speaks volumes.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.21 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: IntegralHellsing can someone correct me if i am wrong?
so... ISS ****es IAC off somehow, IAC declares a war on ISS (but states that POS warfare will not occur), then ISS goes and puts a POS in whatever system in IAC territory, and now everyone joins ISS to look for easy IAC gank, right?
Not quite right. IAC suggested the outposts were under threat. They refused to rule out the possibility of assaulting the outposts, despite being told 'it will determine the nature of the conflict'.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.12.21 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: n sx
Originally by: Yodaron Ballsithor To IntergralHellsing: Please read the rest of the thread.
Regarding the situation with ISS and IAC, and although I am currently inactive, what I find strange is that two (2) alliances that are committed to open space cannot reach some sort of resolution that ensures the sovereignty of both.
I am not saying they should not have some pew pew for good times sake. God knows many alliances love to engage in such hostilities simply to keep their fighters honed for when a major conflict occurs; however, at your base you are both open space alliances and your similarity in this regard should be more than sufficient to find a workable solution to the current situation.
ISS sees a speedbump mate, it's that simple. They've wanted to do this for a very long time.
I'm sorry, but you really are beyond all help.
ISS made a public statement requesting continued friendly relations. ISS then changed its charter so we could actively assist you in the event that you were seiged again.
You responded by setting ISS to -10, then refused to rule out the possibility of assaulting the outposts.
Oh, yeah, but ISS started it all
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.12.21 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: n sx
Count can harp on all he likes to greater EVE that 'we didn't do it' ..... but he knows as well as I do, that since forever he's hated IAC and everything it stands for. We've been the thorn in your side since the launch of our first ever outpost and have always been addressed in this way.
This is just funny.
IAC were always considered to be good neighbours, until now.
Surely your spies reported this to you?
Anyway, you've shown your true colours now. Deal with the consequences.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.12.21 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: n sx
To answer your statement, the new leadership did, and your leader told them to go away. Essentially, Count wants Tyrrax (and/or maybe me) to crawl on his knees and beg for forgiveness so he can send it to all his friends and laugh. I can assure you though, this will not happen.
Anyone who knows Count, and has dealt with him, will laugh at this.
You're making a complete fool of yourself. Do carry on.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.12.21 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: Megas Alkaia
Originally by: n sx IAC stood up for its rights
I have seen this mentioned quite a few times now, but I really don't understand it. Can you clarify what rights you are standing up for?
Also are these "rights" a good rationale for aggressive warfare?
Lastly, can there be any doubt that IAC would have coveted the ISS outposts in Catch had no strong response from ISS been forthcoming? None of us want war, or your outposts. Personally I was happy to buy stuff from IAC outposts and I am sure ISS pilots in general were your largest external customers... wherein lies the logic of attacking your largest trading partner, one who never ever EVER would have attacked you first and would have made any reasonable concession to maintain peaceful relations.
It boggles the mind...
Nice post.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.12.22 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: n sx
Originally by: Megas Alkaia Then why are we fighting, exactly? Seriously what is the IAC rationale for war? I just don't understand.
Short version why it began, because ....
- Count Tasessine refuses to work with IAC in regards to any matter whatsoever, other than generation of revenues from IAC as an entity. - ISS has told us we're not allys, nor friends - ISS has backstabbed IAC politically frequently over 12 months - ISS Navy formed up in ZXIC on a week IAC was on high alert
Since conflict began,
- Count Tasessine has been entirely focussed on sieging IAC stations, no attempt short of 'So we're fighting now?' has been discussed. - In no way has ISS attempted diplomatic relations, and has refused IAC's attempt to discuss matters. - ISS leaders soliciting IAC CEO's via Evemail with lame attempts at breaking spirit - Butterdog
LV/FIX are our long time enemies, good sports, they know we love them and this is merely payback for all the ships of theirs we've destroyed. Nothing like good fun.
MC are a bunch of pilots IAC loves to fight, there's no hard feelings, just alot of love - we know they are here for the money.
UK, are ISS bandwagoners and proof that ISS seek only relationships with entites that they have control over or fear (LV). No love for you.
This is the most clueless post on this entire thread.
And thats really saying something.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.12.22 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: n sx
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: n sx
Originally by: Megas Alkaia Then why are we fighting, exactly? Seriously what is the IAC rationale for war? I just don't understand.
Short version why it began, because ....
- Count Tasessine refuses to work with IAC in regards to any matter whatsoever, other than generation of revenues from IAC as an entity. - ISS has told us we're not allys, nor friends - ISS has backstabbed IAC politically frequently over 12 months - ISS Navy formed up in ZXIC on a week IAC was on high alert
Since conflict began,
- Count Tasessine has been entirely focussed on sieging IAC stations, no attempt short of 'So we're fighting now?' has been discussed. - In no way has ISS attempted diplomatic relations, and has refused IAC's attempt to discuss matters. - ISS leaders soliciting IAC CEO's via Evemail with lame attempts at breaking spirit - Butterdog
LV/FIX are our long time enemies, good sports, they know we love them and this is merely payback for all the ships of theirs we've destroyed. Nothing like good fun.
MC are a bunch of pilots IAC loves to fight, there's no hard feelings, just alot of love - we know they are here for the money.
UK, are ISS bandwagoners and proof that ISS seek only relationships with entites that they have control over or fear (LV). No love for you.
This is the most clueless post on this entire thread.
And thats really saying something.
Ok ... ill be honest.
The entire reason is Butter Dog for posts like this.
Erm, we all know you planned the war in advance.
Now it hasnt turned out the way you envisage (lost outpost), you cry on the forums and make personal attacks directed at me.
I repeat: I have never brought this down to a personal level. My posts are issue-based. By making personal attacks on me, you reflect poorly on you and your alliance.
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Butter Dog
ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.12.22 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: n sx
Originally by: Great Infiltrator
Then why didnt you rule out taking iss stations? Just admit it, you didnt rule it out because that was your plan all along. Too bad that plan backfired
What part of a 10billion ISK campaign to take them down, 5billion ISK worth of POS equipment and 150million ISK per week ongoing do you not understand? Why would we want them when we can use them already for free?
Why would anyone in their right mind enter a conflict and show all their cards, regardless of what they are and aren't?
ISS made thier decision based on what they knew. We're happy we made Count's Christmas wish come true.
Seriously, I know for a fact that ISS don't want your stations.
Never have done, never will.
I think whats happening is a slap on the wrist, to be honest. You did a few silly things. You made a few errors of judgement.
But we're all grown ups here, and the most frustrating things about all of this is that both IAC and ISS would be far stronger and more prosperous working together.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.12.22 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: n sx
Butter Dog, you give us far less credit than we are due.
If we wanted your stations, they would have been in re-inforced 1 hr after we told you that we were red. Alternatively, we could have waited for an ISS freighter squad to cruise by and hit that while we were blue. We're not the underhanded unprepared alliace you take us for.
Believe what you want mate and please feel free to make every post in this entire thread about you.
Believe me, I don't want any post to be about me, its just that when you make personal attacks you do bring it down to that level.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.12.22 14:48:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 22/12/2006 11:00:10
Originally by: maGz Your allies have won this war not you, yet you prance around like you're the winners
They've won this war ? Last I looked they've only taken one outpost and now the tide has turned
Sure they've won a battle or two, let's see if they can keep it up in the long run, because this isn't even remotely close to being over.
As has been stated already elsewhere, the goal was taking F4, a bit like a slap on the wrist.
That goal has been achieved.
I can't see any tables turning. That would require you to commit capital ships against ISS POS. I'm sure many, many people would be delighted if you did, for many different reasons.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.12.22 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Crucifier
Hello butter dog, die.
lol, i do like AAA for this reason
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Posted - 2006.12.22 16:40:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 22/12/2006 16:40:33
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Haha and where exactly was that stated ? So your goal was just f4r and you only attacked JBY and G-7W for fun ?
I guess you failing in JBY and G-7W means you never really wanted to succeed..
This doesnt even make sense.
Firstly, ISS did not want this war - you brought it to us.
Secondly, ISS do not want your stations - but we were forced to act after the way YOU acted in high-level diplomatic talks.
As it happens, you've just lost the F4 station.
And you have the audacity to claim this is somehow a victory over ISS?
Everything about this war has been shameful for IAC - the way you started hostilities, the way you bragged publically about kill/loss in the first few days, the friends you have chosen, and now the loss of one of your three outposts.
You just look ridiculous in claiming this has somehow turned out the way you hoped, or that you are better for it. You just lost your alliance an outpost.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.12.22 17:02:00 -
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Obviously, thats my alt ^^^^
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Posted - 2006.12.22 17:10:00 -
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lol, looks like my settings are a bit funny
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Posted - 2006.12.22 17:51:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 22/12/2006 17:52:41
Originally by: n sx
Originally by: Gutsani
Originally by: Butter Fox
I've been told that MC were not contracted to take those stations, so I'm only relaying what I've been told. But thats what I understand to be the truth.
so the mc had been contracted to take stations?! interesting! is that an act of defence? noo let us look at your charter ..
Thanks Butter Dog, you just made my day . Sounds like ISS management needs to put a muzzle on you too.
I'm sorry, are you trying to make a point?
Uts pretty bloody obvious stations were going to be taken when the POS assault began.
And given I am now sat docked in F4, I'm hardly saying anything particularly controversial.
Obviously MC were contracted to take F4 - why else were the dreads brought out?
The reasons why the station has been taken has already been gone over a thousand times in this and other threads. How many times do we have to say the same thing?
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Posted - 2006.12.22 18:19:00 -
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Originally by: Gutsani
Originally by: Denton Frost
There you lot go again, conveniently forgetting who actually started the war...
You disapprove of how ISS conducted its defence? Tough
Sorry, but HIRING a MERCENARY ALLIANCE to ATTACK a STATION is NOT DEFENDING. I typed the important things in capitals so its not to difficult to read.
A reasonable thingie would have been: mc were hired to blow up/grief IAC, and lv brought the plan to take over f4 or something, but nope, mc was hired to take the station, which is an offense, which requires a vote.
Oh, and post with your main. Enjoy the forum warning.
IAC started the hostilities.
That station is on a main travel pipe and of significant strategic importance. Let me ask you a question - why would ISS not have not taken it? It made perfect sense to do so.
I'm sure all ISS shareholders are very happy with the proactive defense of ISS assets.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.12.22 20:17:00 -
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/me goes to change forum settings
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Posted - 2006.12.22 20:28:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 22/12/2006 20:34:47
Originally by: digitalwanderer Edited by: digitalwanderer on 22/12/2006 20:20:27
Originally by: Serenity Steele Edited by: Serenity Steele on 22/12/2006 19:58:52 If IAC interpret my statements on security risk and investment return as being predictive of the outcome, you are making incorrect assumptions.
It is merely stating my position. Perhaps an IAC diplomat would like to re-read that post and consider what options that presents.
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Guess i'm really not supposed to say it yet,but what the heck,people will know it soon enough,but with AAA capital ship fleet onboard and both MC's and LV's refusal to commit theirs to fight them,for fear of losing said ships,what options does that leave ISS with???...
That's without considering the little rumors i keep hearing that MC and LV will pull out within the next few days....
You're missing something quite important here.
Everyone is very happy to engage AAA in a DEFENSIVE POS war.
You don't need me to tell you that attacking POS is significantly more risky than defending them. Speaking personally, I would relish the opportunity of helping wipe out a couple of Capital fleets.
There are a lot of people in the South who would take up the opportunity to wipe out their dread fleet. The exit of reinforced provides a perfect opportunity to do so.
Though of course, you already know that, don't you
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Originally by: digitalwanderer
Indeed i do.
But really,since said rumors floating around have MC wanting a hell of lot more money than they're getting right now,with the recent AAA involvement in the hostilities(capital ships being expensive things to replace and all),and LV is pulling out since the BOB vs ASCN war is in it's final days,and LV want to know if they're the next target,before coming back to help ISS again,that kind puts ISS is a somewhat difficult position for the next few weeks to say the least
Your latest proposal(that i heard of anyhow),had a 2 week cease fire clause becuase of the above LV situation...Quite a change in overall stance,since serenity steele said ISS wanted all our outposts just a few days ago,don't you think...
I'm not sure where you're getting your intel from, but its very different to what I've been told.
Its absolutely true that MC won't be dragged into a long, offensive POS war against AAA. No-one wants that, least of all over Xmas and the New Year. But I think the same is also true in reverse. Whoever commits capitals will certainly lose them.
In that sense I guess you have a stand-off, but as I say, I've been told that MC were only contracted to take F4 and teach IAC a lesson.
But remember too that AAA are here for the fights. Thats no secret. How long do they think they will hang around when they realise that most of the action is already over?
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